we paid tribute to the vicks in an address to those in his state. >> those educators and innocent lives of boys and girls were taken from their families far too soon. let us hope and pray the children are in a place where the innocence will forever be protected. >> chris jansing has been on the scene reporting nonstop since friday. chris what is emerging? >> reporter: we are getting details on the service being held tonight. president obama will be consoler and chief as he was in colorado and as he was in tucson, arizona. it is a big task one, that local pastors have been taking on with a heavy cart. at the local catholic church, there will be eight funerals. this morning, at the local synagogue, the rabbi will talk with parents of a 6-year-old, noah, to plan his funeral

service. this is a community continuing to come together in its devastation. local church services have been overflowing. in some cases, people having to stands outside or within the churches and synagogues in places of worship. we are learning more about the shooter, adam, lanzas. a loner, intelligent, played a lot of computer games, in many reports, violent computer games. we heard from the reporting, citing several sources, there was a definite method how he went into sandy hook elementary. he shot his way in, which was confirmed by authorities yesterday. the principal and school psychologist were in a meeting. when they heard the shots, they rushed to the front door and that is when they were shot down. there were two first grade

classrooms. adam lanzas went in. the teacher, hearing the shot, got the children into a bathroom and hid them there. the teacher hid the children inside and 14 children there who were huddled all of them were killed as well as the teacher. going into the next classroom, we are told that the students were all in a closet and that he confronted the teacher there, victoria soto, who was one of the victims and trying to divert him, she said, they are down the hall. they are in another place. six of those children tried to escape hearing that conversation and all of them were killed as well. it is a horrifying scene. the details of which are starting to emerge. those things in this community that is already so heart broken. again, the president coming here tonight to try to help to heal

some of those wounds that are so deep and broad. mel indianapolis sa. >> thank you. the details are making it worse in so many ways. i appreciate your professionalism being there to report for us. >> reporter: thank you. >> joining us now from washington, d.c., is connecticut congressman john larson issuing a statement asking colleagues to pass tougher gun control laws. to do nothing is to be complicit in those assaults. good morning congressman. >> good morning. >> let me offer my condolences in the tragedy in your state. yesterday, all we knew was the name of the murder. now we know the names of the victims. i'm happy to shift our focus to them, but it's so hard to hear their names, to hear how they died. is it now, finally the moment

when congress and the president will act on gun control? >> you certainly have to hope so. i know in talking to friends and family as you just reported, the more you hear these details, the more horrific it gets. the innocence of these kids and to see the pictures and there's just -- we are broken hearted in connecticut. there's a point where you have to say enough. this is -- listen, i said in that release, i'm not sure that all the measures that we would hope to enact would ever be able to prevent an incident like this. i know, certainly, there's a strong need for us to be supportive of mental health. bobby scott has bills out there about youth and violence.

this is a comprehensive problem. how many more of these are we going to witness from my standpoint, we ought to lay it out there and vote. i believe we know, we know, this will happen again. so, if we don't take action and i'm not saying we have a panacea, but we have a responsibility to act and not to act is to be come police it. we have a responsibility to take action as well. i'm certainly heartened by what the president has had to say and i know he'll do an extraordinary job this evening and throughout the day with the families and then this evening at the ceremony in sandy hook. >> congressman, stay with us. i want to bring in two people at

the table. mark alexander, a former adviser to president obama who worked with senator bill bradley on the gun control policy. and the professor of sociology at the columbia university. you know president obama. you know he's had to deal with this an extraordinary number of times in his first term as president. do you think this is the fire lit for him that will ultimately take him to the hill on the gun control questions? >> i certainly hope so. first and foremost, i look at this as many of us do, you, too. as a parent, we are heart broken. it's hard to talk about this. we know we have to take act. i think about what's happened. i know we'll talk about it later in the show. all the time spent to discredit the secretary of state. if we spent that time this week seriously talking about gun

violence in this country, if the senators wasted time on this mission, if they talk about the serious problems, congressman larson is right on, we would have no problems. we need to take serious action on this problem that is devastating to all of us. >> you wrote a piece back in october about how guns end up on the streets. what was so compelling to me in this new york times article is understanding kids, gangs and guns. we don't seem to understand how so many guns end up on the streets. many borrowed from friends and family, which it turns out is the case in this shooting where it's his mother's guns that end up killing these children. >> that's right. we have a belief that people are going to stores and either buying them at stores and bringing them back or straw purchasers and buying in bulk, getting them to the hands of kids.

our gun laws are targeted to those problems. more than 40% of guns come from friends and family into the hands of shooters. it's an extraordinary figure. how do we stop that? public awareness, social services. i read a statistic that said less than 1% of our fill ant pi goes toward criminal justice. that is extraordinarily woeful. you need a comprehensive package which you are targeting gun laws. you have to raise awareness. you have to get to kids young. what are the consequences? >> governor, i want to bring you in on the comprehensive, wraparound way to bring you in on this. we are talking various ways in which people access guns. is there a pitch that can get bipartisan support that is a

wraparound? a way of managing the gun crisis? >> i think there is, melissa. this isn't an assault against people who own and possess guns and hunt and use it for recreation. this is not against the ncra. it's trying to prevent another massacre. in terms of not only the mental health, but bobby scott from virginia has written and worked on a comprehensive proposal about violence in general. i could point to shootings in bridgeport. there needs to be a comprehensive community response, not a peace meal response. that seems, also to be the way we respond to this. we pass an act or some segment of a remedy and pat ourselves on the back as though we have solved the problem. we haven't. this needs comprehensive reform. it's going to need a long term

conversation throughout the country and it just our hearts are broken. seeing those little faces, again, perhaps that will be the thing that gets everybody to move. if this was an act of terrorism against the country, we would be moving on several fronts to make sure we left no stone unturned and we were doing everything we could in a comprehensive way. that's what's happened. this continues to be a problem. whether you go back to columbine, whether it's the event that is happened in portland or aurora, what happened to gabrielle giffords, what happened in wisconsin. it keeps going on. as the president indicated, it happens in our cities almost daily. >> congressman thank you for that. this is an act of terrorism by definition of all of us. we are terrified. it is time to move on this.

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i made the decision that it was the best thing for our country, for the american people that i not continue to be considered by the president for nomination of secretary of state because i didn't want to see a confirmation process that was very prolonged, very politicized, very distracting and very disruptive. there are so many things we need to get done as a country. >> well, susan rice remains the

american ambassador the the united nations, she will no longer be considered for secretary of state. she is in the picture of the president's team since his days in the senate and has been a foreign policy adviser. her resume is packed with international affairs, a road scholar, national security council staffer and served as youngest secretary of state to madeleine albright. she was unanimously confirmed. politics being what they are, rice was compelled to put pen to paper removing herself for consideration for the top diplomatic job writing, the position of secretary of state should not be politicized. as a sitting u.s. national security official who served in two u.s. administrations, i am

saddened we have reached this point before you decided whom to nominate. as qualified as she is for her work in foreign policy, this is one area where she may be wrong because, in fact, all positions are political and politicized. well before president obama had been reelected, the fight over his cabinet nominations began. the republican opposition to rice was led early and often by senator john mccain who claimed she was unqualified for job of secretary of state and not very bright. rice's sunday talk show round up after the september 11th attacks in benghazi, libya put her in front to provide information. as it turns out, she had not written the material she delivered that day and was not dishonest about her understanding of the attacks. funny thing, they don't have to be there to play the game. the biggest there that wasn't

there in politics, another presidential adviser with talking points. secretary of state hopeful making the case for her administration's national security strategy. this time, the talking points led to a war that killed thousands and had has a decade long lasting effect. in 2003, when condoleezza rice made the rounds, she was in no uncertain terms paving the path to war in iraq. later when condoleezza rice was going through confirmation hearings, her role in selling the war was not lost on senate democrats, yet, she made it through the nomination process because her side, the republicans chose to fight the fight. somehow, the fight this time around, despite the troubling thin reasons for opposition became not worth having. perhaps because that fight about nothing raging in washington right now is the self-imposed

doomsday scenario called the fiscal cliff. maybe it's the one president obama is most concerned about winning. if you back down from a fight about nothing, how can you expect to win when it's a fight about something? at my table is jonathan cape heart of the washington post, and community director of latino women. mark alexander, professor after law and former adviser to president obama and chloe angel, editor at feminist.com. man, you are all qualified. takes a long time to introduce you. it seems to me there's a parallelism between condoleezza rice and george w. bush and susan rice and president barack obama yet, we don't -- i so wanted president obama to show

up and say i don't care what you say, this is my nominee for secretary of state. >> the president depended on her advice for a long time. when i was a policy director, she and i worked hand in hand. we were making foreign policy decisions. she's somebody to depend on. her credentials are great. she's dedicated to foreign policy. he depended on her from the beginning of the campaign through now. absolutely, she's a perfectly well qualified person to do the job. no doubt about it. >> i think there's another personal angle. if you go back to 2008 campaign, she was the hawk. she was the hawk going after mccain, not just criticizing his policy, but his temperment and judgment. >> strolling around the markets in a jacket. >> he can say it's not personal, but there is a deep seeded

personal resentment there and it's finding the manifestation in the blocking of this nomination. >> it's key. he's taking his personal disagreements and getting in the way of the president getting advice. the president depends on individuals to give them the best advice. he puts it ahead of the national interest. >> why not fight? it's like they think political capital is a gas tank. if you spend it here, you reduce it. isn't it more like a muscle, flex it and you are stronger for the next fight? >> sure. because of the personal nature of mccain's attacks on susan rice and by approximaty, president obama, we leave off the table the questions that should be asked about benghazi. the security questions that require john mccain to go after secretary of state hillary clinton and then head of the cia, david petraeus. go after the national security adviser.

there's a lot going on here. in terms of the question of fighting, president bush, george w. bush could go to the mat for condoleezza rice because he knew, ultimately, he had the votes to get her through. i wonder if folks on the hill, democrats on the hill told president obama we know you like susan rice, we know you want her, but we cannot guarantee you will get the votes. president obama, as we know around the table, very strategic president. he's a calculating president. if you are looking at the fiscal cliff, you are looking at a debt ceiling fight. you are looking at other nomination that is you are about to make that could be as controversial or more controversial. you have to pick and choose your battles. my personal thing, i tried to tell you this on friday, if you know you have at least one,

maybe two supreme court nominations to make, do you want to have the fight over a secretary of state who will serve at your pleasure or do you want to have a fight over a supreme court justice? >> i hear you. it's based on an assumption like i have ten chips to play. if i play two on rice, i only have eight left to play. i wonder, i want to listen quickly to the president. back on november 14th, after the election, he was flexing about his support for susan rice. i want to listen to that for a second. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but, for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi, and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence she had

received and to hurt her reputation is outrageous. >> this moment, he seems to recognize, this is a fight about nothing. she hasn't done anything wrong. >> right. >> i want to fight this not because it won't take capital, but build a little. >> the question is what happened between now and then, right? i think what is frustrating is she removed herself from the situation. she made the decision she doesn't want to be considered secretary of state. i'm not a friend of susan rice, i'm not inside her head, but i think it's ludicrous. brian williams said of course you want this job. the idea she decided to remove herself from the situation that she jumped and was not pushed is ludicrous. most of the time, apart from this conversation, we are having a conversation about why did susan rice remove herself rather

than why did president obama choose -- >> we are going to stay on this issue. i want to come back to not only was it personal, but political and strategic why the senators wanted rice out and somebody else in. specifically why john kerry may be what republicans were looking for, when we come back. [ male announcer ] this is bob,

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minutes after the news broke that ambassador susan rice decided to stand down for secretary of state, reporters of the new york times were typing away for the morning paper by lines. this is what one report had to say. quote, she had made personal trade offs living in new york most of the week, though her family is in washington. she's known to fly to new york at 6:00 one morning, return to the capital for parent/teacher conference,s, race back for a school play. another article explained, the hardest part was explaining to her two children why she decided to bow out. sorry to read it in that voice but it's like a cautionary tale to do the hard work, make the

sacrifices to get to the top unless you think it's about internal d.c. politics. itis not. it's the tried and true tale that you just can't have it all, ladies. back to my panel. chloe? >> hi. look, i think we are kidding ourselves if we didn't talk about the giant elephant in the room. the right has a problem with ambitious black women. >> unless they are named condoleezza rice. >> she's a phenomenal woman. she wheeled autothe comment i just made. she's the exception, not the rule. if you look at larger patterns, if you think what happened if john kerry went on "meet the press" and said what susan rice said, he wouldn't be disquali disqualified for the position. >> i don't think it's just black women. i think the gop does not look

upon women in general, even in their own party in favorable terms. let's think a couple weeks ago. chairman ships for the new congress. not one chairmanship went to a woman. then they bowed to pressure and named candace miller to the administrative committee, which is the clerical committee. >> the housewife. >> when i'm breaking down what happened with susan rice, i think it was personal. i think it was john mccain. i think it was impersonal. don't take it too personal, it's how the gop views women. then politics. there's no silver bullet. she was the victim of all these factors. >> part of it is, i don't think it's race in gender, they said we can't have another person of color, a woman in this position. there's not one living white man who has been secretary of state at this point. i think, though, when it gets framed, when we watch it happen

for other women and particularly, women of color, it sends the message. it feels like the moment i experienced in college when clinton walked away, if you are a woman of color, you are out there by yourself. >> susan rice is so extraordinarily well qualified. the point was made. a man gets up, is direct. susan rice is very direct. she is very smart and very prepared. this is what i know to be true and she's crystal clear about it. she doesn't mince her words. put it out of a man's mouth, that's a blunt, direct, tough talking man. somehow with susan rice, that doesn't fly for the republicans. the reality is, again, it's personal. it's such a personal fight. again, putting their own interests ahead of the interest of the country. not to get back to the top of the hour, but had they spent

time this week talking about gun violence instead of wasting their time, wasting it, discrediting a perfectly well qualified person, shame on them for that. >> let's keep in mind here, susan rice withdrew her name from a promotion. she's not going anywhere. it's possible she will get a bump up somewhere within the administration, maybe national security adviser. >> the irony, right? >> she's still advising the president. >> a more powerful position if she is named national security adviser. >> let's not play, you know, too much on she's a victim here. >> absolutely. in fact, this is my point. the reason the politics of it is, you put john kerry in there to make room -- if i'm elizabeth warren, it makes me spitfire and throw things at the television. you defeat him and he becomes

your colleague. i would spit and throw things. >> i have to say, if you look at the patent of the way the republicans have gone off on high level african-americans in obama's administration and the republicans attitude toward women. this is about race and gender and susan rice being an african-american. if sonia -- >> they gave her a rough go at it. >> they did. i'm not denying that. imagine how bad it would have been if she would have been african-american. >> there clearly is a piece about race in gender. it's the intersection of ideology and the intersection of support for the president. mark, thank you for being here. i hope you come back and hang out again. efbls is going to be back. next, michigan's new antilabor law. the people and money that made it happen. try pepto-bismol to-g,

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it's been one tough week in michigan. birthplace to one of the nation's largest unions, united auto workers. despite them standing on the state's capital, right to work was signed into law, making michigan the 24th state that bans employees having to pay union dues. contrary to popular opinion, it wasn't the plan of michigan's self-proclaimed, tough nerd. >> rick snyder for michigan. he's one tough nerd. >> now, while governor rick snyder may consider himself one tough nerd, to others, it's not the case. instead, he's one of the compliant puppets with big money donors pulling his strings. this is a backroom deal that goes on at local, state and federal rules. we need to follow the bills. oh, no, sorry, two bills, yes,

and the dollar bills. the dollar, dollar bills, y'all. when it comes to legislation, snyder took everyone by surprise even before he became governor snyder, he said right to work was di- visive and not on his agenda. that's when he flipped the switch. according to the nation, once snyder changed his position money supporting the bill poured in from mack knack center, right wing think tank and the michigan basted progress in michigan founded by the coke brothers. the green bills needed to fund this effort were readily available. back to the legislative bill. enter patrick and fellow freshman representative mike. they didn't think of this scheme overnight. they plotted and built alliances since march of 2011. what was the best chess move?

the $1 billion provision was added to the law, making it spending bills. it was harder to overturn. this is nothing new. this is how process politics work. secret deals. if you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours mentality. politics is big business. instead of going oh, whoa is labor. look at how it was prepared going forward. at the table, josh, contributor of the nation magazine and director of the central labor council of new york. in detroit michigan is the president of the united auto workers bob king. nice to see you. >> great to be with you. >> was this effort to get right to work passed in michigan a complete surprise? >> no. not at all. it's been talked about for a number of years in michigan. we knew, we heard more recently in the last eight to nine months

there was going to be an effort to get it passed. >> proposal two would have put collective bargaining in the state proposition. problem 2 failed. in michigan, home of united auto worker, how does it fail and does it open the door to right to work legislation? >> we think it was coming anyway. we tried to do a block of that doing proposition 2. we didn't do a good enough job on proposition 2. a lot of reasons, maybe. three bills were dealing with labor. there were things we could have or should have done differently. i would advocate strongly, we should have done proposition 2. it was the right thing to do. i wish we won proposition 2. if we didn't, we would be sitting here now passing right to work and saying why didn't we try to stop this before it came down. >> absolutely. i want to look at the effects of

right to work. sort of, what happens when you compare right to work states versus states with unions. it's clear for worker, you have workers making $1500 less per year. more than $6,000 less. almost a third of people lacking health insurance. a higher average of poverty and the rate of workplace death. not to miss this, the rate of workplace death in states that have right to work is more than a third higher than unionized states. >> the president made a point, it's about the right to work for less. it's not just less money. it's less rights. the workplace is a coercive place. they don't have the right to stand-up, shout their opinion. their job is always at risk. we have seen in this country, even under current law in states where there are no right to work laws, it's difficult. people are fired with impunity. health and safety is one of

those issues where the less power you have in the workplace, the worse the work is going to be. i'll give you an example. at the turn of the 20th century, industrial work was dirty, dangerous, low paying. what happens? workers organize. they assert their right to organize. they get protections and take industrial work. it was about power. a lot of people talk about the political aspects of the right to work law. i's about lowering the wage bill. this is about them. if you sat here and called for a tax increase, they accuse you of class warfare. this is what it looks like. >> exactly what i want to ask you. if what we know is unions raise the standard of living for everybody, raise standards for all workers, not only why kill unions but why believe you can do it with political impunity? you will not be held accounta e

accountable. >> we are talking a governor, rick snyder who would be held accountable to the right had he not done it. he spent a lot of his money to get elected. the not very interestingly named rga michigan 2010. the top donors to that group had ties to alec, the group that connected right wing legislatures, corporations and model bills like right to work. we are talking people like paul singer who used a controlling interest in delphi to make a lot of money off the auto bailout and eliminate the union. the devos', the coax of michigan. we had the head of this family, not only publicly threatening to get this on the ballot, but according to msnbc, he was privately threatening

republicans. >> every time we have outrage segments where we read something in the paper, on the news, we are outraged by it. we start digging, doing investigative work and over and over and over again, there's the coke brothers standing there with their dollar bills or there is alec. alec is back there writing the legislation. bob, how do you engage in a public fight when so much of what's occurring is occurring outside of the public consciousness or view? >> i think it's important to frame it as you are doing on the show now. this is part of a national attack on labor. it's part of voter suppression. really income suppression for working families. it's building broad coalitions, i think, with civil rights groups, lgbt community. it's talking about what kind of america we want. these folks just lost 2012

because they were so extreme and they come back being the more extreme. it's important to know in michigan, right to work is minor compared to women's reproductive rights, education, taxation. it's a very right wing idology taking over the republican agenda in michigan. >> stay with me. coming up, we are going to talk more about this. this point you make is so critical. when we look at the lame duck session in michigan, it's stunning what is happening. when we come back. yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing tomorrow.

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there's a plan to protect our freedom in michigan. it's called freedom to work. joining a union or not, should be your choice. choosing not to join shouldn't cost you your job. it will mean more jobs making michigan more attractive to new businesses. what won't change? collective bargaining is a protected right. >> we are back with talking about right to work laws and how

they are affecting unions across the country. respond to that for me. >> it's remarkable the same people advocating that workers should work for less are the same teem that think everybody should have an m-16 assault rifle. when talking freedom, they are talking something different than normal, every day people are. they are talking the freedom to do what they want when they want to in the workplace to anybody they wish. the constitution does not extend to the workplace. it's the reality of every working person. they know it. they want control back. unions are in the way. >> it would be great to see them worry about the fact that american workers, unless they are in a union can be fired for things like having a bumper sticker, a political candidate, what they post on facebook at home. the aids clinic they might volunteer with outside of work. these firings are illegal. >> just nothing. >> having a bad haircut.

>> or an ethnic one. >> right. you can be fired for that. these guys are lying. no one in the united states can be fired for not being part of a union. no one can be forced to join the union. if you benefit from union representation, you d be required to pay for it. not just by your boss. the majority of workers vote in union leadership and vote in a contract that chooses for people to bind each other to make that contribution. >> it sounds like democracy. i'm going to give you the last words in the last few seconds here. what is uaws plan next? what will you go next? >> we are going to build a broad alliance across michigan and across the united states and make sure people know what this id logical agenda is, it's suppression of women's rights, labor rights, immigrant rights. it's about what kind of america do we want. the only way to win is rebuild a

new social justice movement in the united states. >> thank you so much, bob king in michigan. >> thank you to josh. coming up, we are going to go back live to newtown, connecticut, for the latest on the school shooting and president obama's visit later today.

welcome back. i'm melissa harris-perry. this hour, we have a lot to get to including the housing rebound headlines you have been seeing as well as the renewal for the against women act. first, we want to make sure you have the latest information on newtown. president obama will visit the shaken community today. we go to chris jansing who has been in newtown since the news broke on friday. what is the latest? >> reporter: good morning to you. we are learning more about the shooter who was described by

people who knew him well as a loner. we know now, for the first time that he went to sandy hook elementary school, where, of course, he opened fire killing 20 students and six adults. when he walked down the hall, he would grasp his computer, walk along the walls and rarely interacted with anyone. this is a day to remember the victims and president obama will be here later today at 7:00 eastern time. he will be addressing a medical service that was planned by local clergy. they have obviously been deeply affected by this. they have been spending every waking hour and many of them are barely sleeping at all trying to tend to their congregations. we saw huge crowds as we were driving in this morning going into the local catholic church. they will have at least eight funerals there. the local rabbi is meeting with

the parents of one of the 6-year-old's who lost his life in this. in terms of the investigation, you can see the microphones set up behind me. it is possible we will get a briefing here today. we don't know absolutely for sure. the state police, which have been in charge of the investigation indicated it's possible they will come to the microphones. i think a new sense, a new feeling has fallen over this community of coming together. the makeshift memorials are growing. more and more people are coming out. if you go to the local diner, people leaving their tables and going to other tables and holding hands and hugging other people in this tightly knit community because they know that in the coming week there will be 20 funerals and tonight it will be to the president to try to begin to comfort them and heal some of those wounds that are so

raw and so deep. melissa. >> thank you to chris jansing for your reporting throughout this tragic story. the idea of 20 funerals with tiny caskets is hard to imagine. throughout the day, you can get updates on the latest developments on the shooting right here on msnbc also online at msnbc.com. for now, as hard as it is, we are going to switch gears. we want to talk about another issue that plays a role in all of our lives. housing. take a look at these headlines. it looks like after going through the worst housing crisis, america's housing market is finally bouncing back. home sales, prices and the demand for new homes are on the upswing. define wall street's economic expectations. if this is the pez sent, the name tag reads big banks. it's full of cash. the home mortgage lending

business is booming. banks are financing their pockets with purchasing new homes, riding high on a wave of low interest homes. wells fargo double digit earnings. they are one of the strongest banks in the country and posted an overall profit of nearly $4 billion in this year's third quarter alone. not so fast. not everyone is calling it a comeback. you can subtract from the fat profits. the $175 million that wells fargo had to dish out to settle accusations of discrimination against black borrowers. wells fargo charged more than 30,000 black and latino borrowers higher rate fees than white borrowers with equal credit risk. they steered 4,000 colored

borrowers into subprime mortgages even if they qualified for similar loans. white counter parts were given regular loans. this summer's settlement was a big win. a home foreclosed -- a vacant home is full of costs for the community. cities are left holding the bill. fire and police resources to secure it and the maintenance to keep it from falling into blight and disrepair. it's siphoning off badly needed property taxes. neighboring homeowners can only watch as their own property values plummet. at my table, jonathan capehart, a fellow at the university of texas, sheila crowley, president and ceo of the low income housing and james perry. in full disclosure, he's my

husband. james, i want to start with you on this. this is the work that you have been doing as americans are reading the headlines saying housing is back, what do we need to know? >> you have to step back for a second and think about what you said. in the fourth quarter, wells fargo made $4 billion. this monumental settlement was $175 million. they still made $4 billion with a "b." we have seen them rewarded for bad action. what's so heinous about how they act is they use people in minority communities to build their own ability to make profit. they network with pastors, community activists. they networked with tavis smiley and gave him millions of dollars to hold wealth building seminars. he attracted black folks to get them to use wells fargo to buy homes. the end result is wealth is

stripped from communities, from cities, from black and latino homes. >> the model, as we were going through it and saying how they were using tavis smiley and others is like the tuskegee experiments, an african-american nurse who was the mouthpiece for it. then it was actually stripping the wealth out of those communities. victoria, part of what we see is this idea that it's not just the individual homeowner who loses here. it's the big question of whole communities being lost when the homes are foreclosed on. >> the bulk of attention is on the homeowners. we have to keep in mind the communities. the other group i like to pay attention to is renters. we have a trickle down cycle. middle class homeowners get bumped out of their homes because of foreclosure. they can't afford homes. they have to rent. rent is tight. there's so much occupancy. those people who have been

renters, those that are poor, the extreme poor are squeezed out of being able to rent affordable housing. this isn't just a problem about homeowners. this is a problem about renters in our communities. the only way i think we can start to tackle it, at least at this level is using the tax code. this is the time to do it. we can't just be giving subsidies to homeowners, what about the renters. >> this is the core of your work, to think of how low income folks who are not thinking of being in the home ownership are squeezed out of housing. >> absolutely. we have spent a lot of time and energy thinking of home ownership in this country. a third of all households are ventures. it's an important part of the housing market. what is clear, though, is that the problems of renters are getting much worse than they have been for some time. in particular, for the lowest

income renters. in housing, we measure things by household income. there's 10 million households with incomesment bottom 30% of the income who -- there's only 5 million that rent in prices they can afford. almost two-thirds of them are paying 50% of income for their housing. it means they are strapped. they can't do other normal things that they need to do. they are one emergency away from homelessness. so, we have overinvested in home ownership in many levels, not necessarily to the benefit of homeowners but we have, we have overinvested in that and under invested in rental housing. >> this feels like the 1%, 99% in the most clear policy form. wells fargo with billions in profits and families unable to find a place to live. >> wells fargo and others are

playing on the american mythology of you must own a home. for the longest time, all i heard from my mother was, you have to buy a home. you have to buy a house. renting, you are not an adult until you own a home. so, all the focus is on buying that home. of course, you are going to buy a home that maybe you can't afford, take out a loan you shouldn't take out because america tells you this is what it means. >> it's the american dream. >> part of what we learned from wells fargo, i think sometimes we say the individual did something they shouldn't do. they actively marketed these things. >> in the latino community, some call it jails fargo. targetinging latinos and giving them loans they couldn't afford to lose their homes, at the same time, subsidizing immigrants. three of the largest immigrant

companies made $5 billion. wells fargo owned 20% of the country. they were stripping wealth out of latino communities out of their homes. at the same time, they were jailing them and sending them back to their own countries. jails fargo. >> wow. >> because we spend so much time on the american dream of owning a home, we are not building up the, acceptability of renting. it is okay to rent a home. you can be an adult, not a little kid and rent your home. it's fine to rent a home. you don't have to buy a home. i think that gets to something -- >> stay there. we are going to come back and talk on these issues as soon as we get back. this issue of race and real estate and of class and real estate is fundmental to our country. and completely reimat with best-in-class combined mpg, and more interior room than corolla and civic? and a technology suite

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before the break, we were talking about the community crisis brought on by the foreclosure crisis. according to the results of an investigation by the national fair housing alliance, not all crisis are created equal. it looked at reos, properties repossessed after failures. a report detailing the findings said reo properties in communities of color appeared vacant, abandoned, unappealing to real estate agents who might market it to buyers. in white communities, appeared habited. the affect here is on whole communities. >> sure. the real issue, question here is

how do you respond when there's been a crisis. how do you fix that crisis? what's happened here is the lenders who oftentimes cause the crisis. instead of taking steps to maintain it, they let them rot. the fair housing center found that oftentimes there were properties in black neighborhoods that were burned and destroyed. the companies didn't care. so, the communities that had been destroyed could not rebuild themselves because they had no access to the propertieproperti. >> there's a multicenter. you said you suspected this is going to be this reduction of mousing values particularly in black and latino communities. this is going to be the last big impact of the economic downturn. >> exactly. the dream of home ownership, the avenue for building wealth was pushed on all americans. in particular, in minority neighborhoods and minority communities. the fortunate effect of the

housing bust is, i believe, history will show this is the biggest transfer of wealth out of black and latino households in the history of the country because at the end of the day, they will have put all their money into something that, in many cases, they couldn't afford and walking away with nothing. even those families, especially older women who own their homes, owned them for a long time but got caught up in a predatory loan to refinance, they lost that wealth. so, it's a very insidious thing that is going to reverberate for a long time. >> jonathan -- sorry, yes. >> i wanted to say when we talk about how the foreclosure crisis, we have to remember that not everybody who lives in a home that is foreclosed in a

homeowner. 40% of family that is lost their homes due to foreclosure are renters. >> if i'm a private homeowner renting the space and i'm foreclosed upon. the family is then vacated. >> that's right. in 2009, we passed federal legislation to protect tenants in foreclosure. that means that you have to have at least 90 days notice or the lease has to be honored by whoever takes over the house, the bank or whoever. that was a huge step forward. it is self-executing. so, it requires that banks and lenders and everybody else know what the law is and the people living in them know what their rights are. we are trying to get legislation passed that will actually make the protecting tenants in foreclosure act permanent and

give the tenants private right of action. they will be able to be more aggressive in defending themselves. >> it feels like accountability is the big issue here. i'm going to bring you in on the government side of this. before we go, talk to me about what are the mechanisms for the banks and communities and banks making these choices. >> what happens when a community is left to trust people when they cannot trust? the most important thing is with wells fargo. they are applying to get certified. what people can do is go to the office and say don't certify them. they failed us. the whole point of this act is you have to invest in minority communities and poor communities. either they won't do it or when they do, they will do it to that communities detriment. it's controlled up to the president who controls that office. don't approve cra standards.

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with benefits that reverberate schools. >> i would like to not lose that point. if we do this, if we pass the trust fund, we can end homelessness in the united states. >> if we fund it. >> how much money is that? to do it the right way. >> i feel a column coming on, my friend. >> you might get a column, not cash. >> how much is that? >> we think it's $30 billion a year for ten years. it's a lot of money. but we have a suggestion about where to get it. we have examined several housing subsidies for home ownership and there are a lot. it's almost $200 billion in the tax code that goes to home ownership in various forms. one is the mortgage interest deduction, which is about $100 billion. it's an extremely popular program.

we have done polling on it. the public is for it. the public is ready for modernizing it. it's been in existence for 100 years and been amended once. it's time to look at whether or not it makes sense to continue to subsidize million dollar homes when we have such a shortage at the low end. >> it feels like this is the question. this is a 47% question. this is a 99%. here is an actual policy we can put on an agenda to enact. what is the political take for this? >> there are two strategies in place that benefit wealthier folks. the first is a mortgage interest deduction. the second is itemized deductions. who itemize? those who are higher up. bring down the mortgage interest cap from $1.1 million to $500,000.

it's still a lot of money, but would help the middle class home ownership and get rid of the itemized tax deduction and a 15% tax credit toward low income homeowners. >> when i hear you say that, i'm like okay. that sounds like potentially the kind of thing to get bipartisan support for. it's simplification to the tax code. >> yes, but it's all in the way this idea is sold. i mean you have to -- i think sometimes, you know, when -- i'm going to generalize here -- when republicans hear to simplify the tax code and do something that will benefit someone else, it's -- >> it's communist. >> it's a problem as opposed to saying it's something to help the entire country. when you have neighborhoods that aren't blighted or living in homes and they can own. it's something that nurses the

benefit of everyone. >> it's a loophole. in an ideal world we could package it and say we are not raising taxes. you are closing loopholes. >> if you go to the proposal that victoria talked about, lowering it to $500,000 and converting the deduction into a tax credit, you expand the pool of moderate and low income people who are going to get the tax benefit. there are a lot of homeowners who pay interest but don't have the ability to itemize. if you go to 15% tax credit, you get people with a tax break. it's a much fairer way of subsidizing home ownership and the bonus is that you get $30 billion a year put into the national housing trust fund.

so, it doesn't cost a dime. now, the problem is, mortgage interest deduction is finally on the table for consideration of guess what? deficit reduction, not reinvesting in housing. >> it feels like this moment, the one group of people i can imagine that ought to have their personal interest in this are mayors and governors. we would see revenue back in the cities. it's what the wells fargo case was about. >> it brings us back to the very beginning of the conversation. the mayors of baltimore and memphis said you know what? we can't have this happening in our communities. the same is true here. we need them to take a stand here. we need funding for the affordable housing trust fund. they are communities right with homelessness. the truth is, we can end homelessness. >> of course we can. >> this is the path, too.

>> just to say this morning we can end homelessness, we have a way to do it. to not do it is a violation of who we are as americans. i thank you both for joining us. up next, we are going to switch gears and talk about a new setback in the effort to protect women from violence and why a critical bill is in danger. t... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. [ male announcer ] the way it moves. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes and even up to 50% more than leading sonic technology brushes for a superior clean. oral-b power brushes. go to oralb.com for the latest offers.

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eric cantor of virginia. reports indicate that cantor and his fellow republicans are willing to talk about including lgbt women and undocumented immigrants in the revised bill, but the house would deny american indian women equal access to justice because it prevents tribal authorities from having jurisdiction over crimes on their territory by male abusers who aren't american indians. cantor is refusing to accept added protections for american indian women to give jurs tix to tribes. meanwhile, the bill to prosect all women remains in limbo. along with jonathan capehart, we are joined by chloe and deborah

parker. very nice to see you. >> thank you very having me here. what do you think is motivating the congressman at this point? >> well, hopefully he's listening to some of the discussions from other house members and really taking notice of the bill that includes tribal jurisdictions. we are hoping that he's listening and he's understanding the issue better. that's where we are right now. >> break this down for me. folk that is live in some parts of the country out west who understand what goes on the tribal lands and u.s. lands and that sort of thing. if you live in the northeast and don't get it, explain why this reauthorization is so important to address this for american indian women. >> it includes key provision

that is help them prosecute men who come on the lands and pree vent crimes against native americans, whether it's domestic violence, sexual assault. it allows us protection over our native americans on reservation. it's a narrow set of laws that would protect our women and our children and our community. it deals with those who come on to the reservation and not only that are visitors but connected to our community. >> this, to me, chloe, feels like someone missed the memo. the war on women is part of why the republican party lost in 2012. even to the extent they maintained house control, they lost a popular vote of a half million americans who preferred democrats over republicans who gerrymandered.

under what circumstances are they willing to go without reauthorization? >> i have yet to hear a compelling argument about why native american women should not get the same rights and protections of women in the rest of the country until now, at least, have enjoyed. when they talk about it, i feel like i'm charlie brown and they are the teacher. i hear we don't give a damn about them. we talk about america's mistreatment of american indians as though it's done. it's a part of our past. itis not. it's a part of our future. one in three native american women will be raped in our lifetime. over 80% of those rapes are committed by non-indian men, is that right? >> yes. >> this is the one place where almost every other community, rape and domestic violence is intraethic or intraracial. white women by white men,

latinas by latinos. in this case, they are victimized by men who are not, in fact, indian men. >> perpetrators now there's a gap they can come on our reservation and limited resources to prosecute and they know they will get away with it. that's the issue here. >> to my disbelief, how could you not reauthorize this. i went on and read the column. in her column, what she does is dehumanizes women and makes it a fiscal matter. she calls it feminist pork. this is a drain on the budget. it's interesting to see those are the troops being used. shifting gears and talking also about native american women, another big hole that would be left in the republican version of this legislation is with undocumented women. what tends to happen is if you have a woman undocumented who is married to or is the partner of

somebody who is a legal, permanent resident or citizen, they can dangle it in front of them in order to keep it from reporting them. they would roll back the process, which allows them to circumvent it. >> this is critical. >> this is about vulnerable populations. this is about kicking already vulnerable populations when they are down. to answer your earlier question, what we saw in the earlier election is an outpouring of outrage and anger for attacks on mostly white, privileged women and uprising of those women for the most part and what gets left out. so often it's women in vulnerable population. >> i'm just mystified from where we begin this conversation about eric cantor and what started this conversation which is they want to make it possible for

non-indian men to basically get away with prosecution for crimes against native american women. why is that? >> the issue is they don't want the authority to rest. it feels like the americans with disabilities international extension. we don't want the u.n. in here in our business. >> that's what i find rebug nant about this. if they are -- if they are protecting white men from prosecution. >> it's not what if. >> they are protecting perpetrators. it's not only native american women, but last night, i received a call from a non-native woman who had the perpetrator drag her to what he thought was a reservation land. he missed the mark. it wasn't reservation land. he raped her, abused her, left her for dead and guess what? she survived. he got a long sentence. she told me last night that on

reservation land, he would have gotten away with it. >> what does eric cantor say when you met with his staff and lay it out. what does the staff say about why they are doing it? >> it's making it easier. >> tribal rights. it's the shield they use. >> clearly -- >> we are going to take a quick break and come back on this topic. it's outrageous and we are outraged. ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-store or online. [ male announcer ] the way it moves. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes

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act. victoria, you were talking undocumented women as well when we were talking lesbian and transwomen as well. the notion this is the most vulnerable women. >> they are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable. a woman picking cabbage is undocumented, at the mercy of an employer. wage wise, work wise. on top of that, she's in the content to be domestically abused. you are in remote areas, surrounded by men. you have no recourse because under the vawa you are afraid of getting reported. what they want to do is provide a revision of temporary residents. they are not giving you citizenship.

they are not giving you amnesty. if you come forward, we will allow you to stay here while this takes its course. add that on to the retracting of the self-petitioning. you are making latinas or all immigrant women in extremely vulnerable positions. >> there's a coalition i can see beginning to emerge here. for native american women, greg hoffman, my colleague at the nation wrote this. if the final bill isn't approved, native american groups who pushed for this for ten years and worked on this reauthorization for three years will be forced to start over from scratch. is that right? this is the critical moment? if it doesn't pass, you start over again? >> this is it. we are looking to the house leadership to come to some sort of agreement to pass these much needed provisions. it looks like we have maybe a week and a couple days left. it's a very short time period.

i have been in d.c. for the last couple weeks trying to push this issue, trying to educate, trying to inform. it's been a difficult process. for me, i want to get home to my family and i just can't seem to get home until this passes and that people all over the country understand the importance of protection of all women including native american women. >> this is one of those call your congressman moments. we have gwen moore having written a letter december 11th to congressional leaders. send a reauthorization bill to the president that he can sign immediately, right? gwen moore sent that. some republicans signed on to it. is this a moment where we publicize the names of the congressmen doing it? sorry, we have to go to newtown, connecticut where police are holding a news conference with the updates on friday's

shooting. >> we have been working through the night. detectives are at the scenes of the school, the secondary scene. we are actively working those areas. there's nothing new to report relative to the investigation. it is moving forward. as i said yesterday and i will not and cannot detail pieces of the investigation, but i can tell you that we have recovered evidence contrary to some of the news reports out there. we have recovered evidence that is being analyzed. the weaponry involved, we are tracing them back to the workbench when they were assembled. information is being examined and looked at with our federal partners. in addition, the examination by the medical examiner is ongoing. hopefully early this afternoon we'll be able to release factual

information on the last two deceased in this case. as you know, there is a presidential visit scheduled for this afternoon. i don't have details on that. i know that's being put out via washington. we'll leave that as is. we are in the process, i'm sure you have seen, as i explained to you, we have a multiple crime scene. we are sticking specifically with the school. the school crime scene, the building itself is still being worked on. remember i told you we had a secondary crime scene, that's all the vehicles on the exterior of the school. our detectives examined each and every one of them. we are beginning to release them back to their owners. slowly, but surely, we are beginning to complete the exterior part of the crime scene. the governor and lieutenant governor are on sight. they have been actively involved today. one thing that's becoming somewhat of a concern and that

is misinformation is being posted on social media sites. there has been misinformation coming from people posing as the shooter in this case, posing using other ids, mimicking this crime and crime scene and activity that took place in this community. there's been some things in somewhat of a threatening manner. it is important to note that we have discussed with federal authorities that these issues are crimes, they will be investigated statewide and federally and prosecution will take place when people perpetrating this information are identified. again, all information relative to this case is coming from these microphones. any information coming from other sources cannot be confirmed and in many cases,

it's been found is inaccurate. so, i simply, that's the newest twist today that we want to make sure is perfectly clear that social media websites that contain information relative to this case are not being posted by the connecticut state police, are not being posted by the newtown police, are not being posted by any authorities in this case. so, any of that information and people putting that information information up in any american construed as a violation of state or federal law will be prosecuted, will be investigated and prosecuted. questions, i can take a few and understanding we are still active in this case. >> a very specific timeline of how this convenient happened. [ inaudible ]. >> very good question. i've been the only one speaking

about this case to every member of the media. i cannot restate or state heavily enough, i have not and will not put out a timeline in this criminal investigation as it is under way. it is inappropriate. we will not do that. any sources that are putting out any kind of information like that does not come from the official investigating agency, which is the connecticut state police, assisted by the newtown police department, okay? we will not put that out as the investigation is ongoing. i have not read it so i can tell you that, but we have not put out any timeline information, we would not do that. >> [ inaudible ]. >> again what i've stated, relative to the interior of the

crime scene was the shooting took place in a sing lar section of the school. it involved two classrooms and a hallway. that's as much as we said about that. we cannot and will not describe the location of the deceased in this investigation. we simply won't do that yes, si sir? >> [ inaudible ]. >> yes, sir. >> [ inaudible ] >> i don't know that, quite frankly, that's what i'm trying to get people to understand is we can't take segments of an investigation and discuss that publicly because something taken out of context could be misinterpret, it could be misinter praentd not factual once it's misinterpret there fore, number one, i don't know anything about that particular statement you just made, okay?

and number two, even if i did, i would say let us put it into the contents of the investigation, we can manage it and you can get a whole, complete picture of what's going on. i do know anything more? just the four firearms, working with our federal partners and we, as i said in my statement, we are analyzing, examining, we will trace them back to their origin. we will trace every step of the way. and every time that we can, where they were used, how they were used, to be examined forensic late. great deal of work must be done on those weapons. >> [ inaudible ] >> i can't answer that question. i do not know. our detectives will, in fact, be able to answer that question at the conclusion of this investigation. >> i know you can't go into detail about what you're finding you, how confident do you feel you will eventually get a good picture? >> i'm confident that we will put every single resource that

we have into this investigation and that we will answer every single dwhae is humanly possible at the conclusion of this case. we will examine every piece of evidence. we will speak over to single witness that can have any impact whatsoever on this case and certainly, our goal, our goal is to answer every single question. >> what you know now, do you think no note, no alive shooter, how confident do you feel that you will eventually be able to put together something that people would consider -- >> okay, just to say, we have not stated what evidence we have and have not collected. i want to make that perfectly clear. how confident am? i we have the best of the best working on this case. we have our major crime detectives. we have federal authorities. we have newtown investigators. we have everything and everybody focusing on this case. as everyone knows, it's a huge case. it's a huge case. we are using every single resource and our goal is to paint a complete picture so that we all know and the public knows exactly what happened here. a couple more, folks. -- >> magazines, used in the gun?

>> i cannot. i can no >> [ inaudible ] >> well, best i can explain them, i'm not a social media expert around i won't claim to be there have been indications that and there have been quotes by people who are posing as the shoot ir. you can go on different facebook pages and find this information out. i know members of the press have. suffice it to say the information can in fact -- has, in fact, been deemed as threatening. it's been inaccurate. it's been people posing as other people and discussion federal authorities, they believe it is a violation of state and/or federal law and war rarnlts an investigation. anyone that, in fact is perpetrating that information could, in fact, be subject to arrest and prosecuted federally. >> anyone identified, questioned? >> working on that right now. this is brand-new information, literally got it up as we were coming through this press conference a couple more quick questions and then i got to go

yes, ma'am? >> when can we obtain any information on the other two bodies? >> the minute i have that, we are going to reduce it to writing, we will bring it up tour bring more copies of the names from yesterday if anybody needs it, but certainly, the minute we have that, we will bring that up to you. yes, ma'am? >> do you known the body is going to be released back to the family? >> they have. already started that process. yes, ma'am? >> is there any idea of when the students can return to class and what can you say to parents in connecticut about safety? >> what's important to know about safety in school is that from the educational commissioner in the state of connecticut, working with the governor's office, it is being examined on a local and statewide basis there are many plans in place for emergency purposes in all the schools in connecticut. all of them are being reexamined and certainly, parents should, in fact, be confident that law enforcement in every community, police, local police, the educators, the leaders of the school systems, are doing everything they can to make sure

that the schools in connecticut are safe. what i would like the lieutenant to do is talk about the schools here in newtown please. one second. >> yes, we have been working closely with the superintendent of schools here. obviously, we are still very sensitive to the family in this situation. and we want to -- we want to move forward very slowly and respectfully. they have tentative plans moving forward as far as school and the school system will be putting those out in the near future. >> children ever return to class in that building? >> at this time, too early to say but i would find it very difficult for them to do that but certainly you these one of the things that they are gonna have to look into. yes. >> more kids to monroe starting later this week, right? >> that's one of the plans that we are looking into. it is tentative plans right now, but as we said, you know, we are trying to be as respectful as we can, we want to keep these kids together.

they need support of each other. a >> a couple more quick questions. yes, sir? >> [ inaudible ] >> the most general i can be, it has to be very general, the school -- forcibly entered the school facility itself, okay, encountered -- just encountered staff, students and the tragedy occurred that's as much as i want to go i'm sorry. >> survivors, have you been able to talk to them? >> our people are talking with everybody, slowly but surely but methodically, too this is not something that -- this is something that people's heaters are broken, as we all well know and we have to be sensitive and we are moving as quickly and efficiently as we can, the people that we can talk to, yes, we have, we have spoken to many, many witnesses, but there are people to speak to, including you, not limited to maybe

speaking with youngsters. >> what about the wounded? >> we have spoken, yes, with the wounded. we will include that in the report and the final summary of what took place. can you tell us one more? yes, sir? >> [ inaudible ] >> everyone keeps asking that question and i have to say to you for us to be able to give you a summary of the motive, we have to complete the investigation. we have to have the whole picture before we can say hopefully behind why this occurred. that is not going to come very quickly. >> left any writings, any notes behind? >> i cannot detail evidence. we don't do that. simply stated, we have a great deal of evidence that we are analyzing. that is as much as i can say, what we seized. >> without elaborating, can you say how there are piece of the puzzle missing that will make this more difficult to tell? >> are there -- yes there are

pieces missing that we haven't had a chance to finish yet. the forensic part of it is an important part. that's not done yet. that's being worked on but that's not done yes. the witnesses that need to be interviewed. there's an immense number of witnesses that need to be interviewed. that's not completed yet. there are weeks worth of work that we have left in order to complete this. now, what i'd like to do is i would like to say that we will -- we will come back in a couple hours. i apologize for having you out here in the inclement weather. we are also. but i want to get the information from the medical examiner's office for you and confirm that. i want to get -- see if i can get more detail relative to the presidential visit and what the logistics of that are going to be this afternoon and if there's any updates i get from the major crime commanders of the department, i will bring that back to you, okay? >> [ inaudible ]. >> federal authorities, sir, i would have to consult with the u.s. attorney on that i simply don't know. okay. we will be back in a couple hours, folks, please stay dry.

>> that was an update from the connecticut state police on the tragedy in new town, connecticut. coverage continues live with alex witt, next. >> thank you so much, melissa. welcome, everyone to ""weekends with alex witt."" that lieutenant paul vance of connecticut state police, talking about the many facets of this investigation. some things he can answer, others he cannot. he says taking these things out of context makes for a very difficult way for people to understand what's happening and they are trying so desperately to keep things as clear as possible. once again, so many layers that they still have yet to investigate. and of course, so many questions remain about why the shooter, adam lanza, took those young children's lives as well as his mother's. joining me now with the latest in the investigation is nbc news justice correspondent, pete williams. pete, a good day to you. did we hear anything new there? >> reporter: the only thing